[450] Emily
Leslie
partybug at charter.net
Mon Jun 6 15:47:32 EDT 2011
That was banner material Charlie!
Leslie Busino
Always be the difference with kindness of heart.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:51 PM, charlie wrote:
> My heart aches for you and Emily, when the time comes you will know
> what is best for her. All that helped get me through what was the
> saddest day of my life was knowing Starfox had the best life he could
> have had and was loved very deeply by us all. I still miss his face
> and the way he looked at me as though he knew I would always be there
> for him.The new boys in the house have made the transition a lot
> easier. But I know one day I will have to take that journey with
> them...hopefully a long long time from now. For now we enjoy the
> moment that this life has for us together. I guess this cheered you up
> Leslie...LOL Charlie
> On 06/06/2011 11:27 AM, Leslie wrote:
>> George,
>>
>> I have to fight the urge to have her with me every second. The best
>> I can offer her is to sleep untouched for an hour or so during the
>> day. I don't want her hiding under the furniture all the time. That
>> is not a normal behavior for her, hence, I am attempting to put a
>> stop to it. I think she gets it, she was in the hallway on the rug
>> this morning. But I had to take her to her litter box. Then she
>> insisted I open the door rather than her using the kitty door....I
>> fear a decision will need to be made shortly. But I just want a few
>> more days to try. She is really not doing well. I am merely
>> sustaining her. The rest is up to her body.
>>
>>
>> Leslie Busino
>>
>> Always be the difference with kindness of heart.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:37 PM, George Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> Leslie,
>>>
>>> Sounds like you are doing everything you can! Vet sounds good. I had
>>> forgotten about the baby food. Maria reminded me of that last night.
>>> That would have been my next suggestion. The fact that she is
>>> looking to you when you come in from groceries. Does she have a
>>> favorite cat treat? Maybe giving her a couple of cat treats when you
>>> come in for groceries might help.
>>>
>>> One thing that I did not mention. I used to lay on the floor with
>>> Sammy and gently rub his head down to between his shoulder blades.
>>> Also the spine where the tail starts. I would quietly talk to him. I
>>> would spend 10 to 15 minutes a few times a day during his most
>>> difficult times, but always a couple of times a day. You are
>>> probably already doing this. Making a big fuss over her at times
>>> oyher than feeding medication may help. Anything that promotes
>>> bonding. Maybe more affection than usual to get her over the
>>> difficut time will help.
>>>
>>> Will keep you all in thought and prayer.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Busino"
>>> <partybug at charter.net>
>>> To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [450] Emily
>>>
>>>
>>>> George,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for the hints on food. I am taking your stance
>>>> food wise. Although I did get gerber baby food too. Highest in
>>>> protein I could. She actually sniffed it. I have been on the
>>>> phone with the vet. Last night I pulled a high number on her BG,
>>>> over 290. I called him and told him what was happening to her. I
>>>> loaded her with about 6 cc's of water and tried a couple of nibbles
>>>> of food, no dice, so she went the night on water only. Woke and she
>>>> was 321. I decided that was enough. Put her on the counter and
>>>> forced down over an ounce of food into her belly. AND water back
>>>> and forth between bites. She started to get "pissy" at me, but
>>>> when I said "NO" in my normal sharp tone when she is doing
>>>> something she should not, she responded with her normal demeanor
>>>> pre-ill. She put her paw down even though she wanted to scratch
>>>> the hell out of me. I actually looked at her without pity and
>>>> laughed.
>>>> She is just now done with her second bout with me injecting food
>>>> into her. So she has had two tiny meals today. She is not hiding
>>>> like she was and she is still not purring. (this is the true sign
>>>> of happy cat, not a nervous behavior for her in particular) Once
>>>> she purrs, we are out of the woods and on the field again. I spoke
>>>> to her doc and he thinks my tough stance is going to work a heck of
>>>> a lot better. I have to up her insulin by one unit tonight based
>>>> on her food intake. He is all about me managing her care and last
>>>> night when I spoke to him he let me know that he thinks the same as
>>>> I do, Emily was absolutely destroyed emotionally being away from
>>>> home and stuck in the cage at the vet. He felt very afraid for her
>>>> even though she had to have the IV in for 48 hours. He said he was
>>>> very concerned with her decline in emotion. When I went to visit
>>>> her, it was all I could do to not detach the IV and run out the
>>>> door with her. She won't be there again except for necessary
>>>> visits. No stays.
>>>> He is a good vet thus far. He did warn me the only other option is
>>>> an extreme specialist. But that it was highly cost prohibitive and
>>>> not necessarily a viable solution.
>>>> I don't think she got into anything. II only have an English Ivy
>>>> in the house, she has been with it all of her life and does not do
>>>> anything with it. Actually, we noticed she got ill when I brought
>>>> home the bouquet from my Dads memorial service. It promptly went
>>>> outside and that was the end of that. (that was back in April, no
>>>> correlation)
>>>> Em is hopefully heading toward the light again. She is expressing
>>>> a little more interest in us. Not by much, but a little. She
>>>> actually just sniffed Robert's finger which he stuck in his ear for
>>>> ear wax. (disgusting - blech - ugh) And she looked up at me when I
>>>> came in with the groceries. We are keeping her from hiding on us
>>>> and staying in her funk. She is jumping off the counter a little
>>>> better. She better not make me feed her forcefully for too long!
>>>> I hate doing it to her but will continue until I see her chubby
>>>> little bod heading for her water and food. She still smells sick
>>>> inside. It is likely due to her high BG. And the pancreas not
>>>> doing so hot. The one thing she hates big time and it hurts when I
>>>> have to give it to her is the antibiotic. She puts holes in me
>>>> when I give it to her. BUT she also exhibits strength. Good sign
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks George, if you think of anything...let me know. I think I
>>>> am okay with the Vet for now. Em cannot abide the car for too
>>>> long, he is about a mile down the road. This works nicely. And my
>>>> initial impression with him is that he is a kind hearted soul with
>>>> a good sense of what needs to be done. Em is only at half of her
>>>> life span right now as far as I am concerned. When we get her
>>>> level, there is always the possibility that we could see her go
>>>> into remission in a year or so. We shall see. If I have to give
>>>> her insulin for life, so be it. I am hoping a long life so I guess
>>>> we had best be prepared for the long haul!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Andrews"
>>>> <gandrews at ntplx.net>
>>>> To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 8:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [450] Emily
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Leslie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sammy cattus survived so many things, including a spinal cord
>>>>> stroke. He did get so sick that he was barely mobile. Some cats do
>>>>> not like fish. I would still try the water from tuna and water, no
>>>>> salt, no oil. See if she will drink it. Another thing to try is
>>>>> some diced chicken that you have for a meal, no spices , no salt.
>>>>> From what youy have told me, I can't suggest much else in terms of
>>>>> food.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have found that there is a very wide range of "standard of care"
>>>>> with vets. We had emergencies with Sammy and were told on one
>>>>> occasion that we needed to think about how far we wanted to go
>>>>> with this. This particular vet suggested putting him down. They
>>>>> could not tell me what was wrong with him! Needless to say, I did
>>>>> not listen. Some will provide care, but nothing aggressive. Them
>>>>> there are those who will actively work with you to do whatever can
>>>>> be done to keep Emily healthy. Do you have a dose vs. blood sugar
>>>>> level you work from? Do you report this to your vet and does
>>>>> he/she periodically adjust it? This is one standard of care I
>>>>> would expect (advice is by phone so there is no charge). Has there
>>>>> been any imaging of pancreas/liver to see what is happening there?
>>>>>
>>>>> We have always taken our cats to cats only vets for the most part.
>>>>> The one time we did not do this and Sammy required a several night
>>>>> stay, he did not do well. About the only way I can describe it is
>>>>> depressed. He never liked to be away from us, but it was worse if
>>>>> he had to stay with dogs around.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thought, do you have plants in the house? We have gotten
>>>>> rid of all plants toxic to cats. It took us two times to
>>>>> understand some plants are simply not compatible with cats. Twice
>>>>> our cats got so sick, we thought they would not live. Anything
>>>>> else she might have gotten into? The vet probably already
>>>>> mentioned this.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for humans, sometimes a second or third opinion is good.
>>>>> Towards the end we did this for Sammy. It may seem like a lot of
>>>>> trouble and expense to do this, but I could not do anything else
>>>>> for him. If you want some names of vets, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Busino"
>>>>> <partybug at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:43 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [450] Emily
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> George,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am having to force her right now. She has not gone to the
>>>>>> litter box at all. She has no real favorites as long as it is
>>>>>> wet food Fancy Feast Classic. She sticks in the turkey and
>>>>>> giblet and chicken and beef. No fish. She tends to get sick
>>>>>> everytime she gets her teeth into something that might have fish
>>>>>> in it. So, I decided long ago that she must have an aversion to
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
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