[450] Emily

Leslie partybug at charter.net
Mon Jun 6 15:47:32 EDT 2011


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Leslie Busino

Always be the difference with kindness of heart.


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:51 PM, charlie wrote:

> My heart aches for you and Emily, when the time comes you will know 
> what is best for her. All that helped get me through what was the 
> saddest day of my life was knowing Starfox had the best life he could 
> have had and was loved very deeply by us all. I still miss his face 
> and the way he looked at me as though he knew I would always be there 
> for him.The new boys in the house have made the transition a lot 
> easier. But I know one day I will have to take that journey with 
> them...hopefully a long long time from now. For now we enjoy the 
> moment that this life has for us together. I guess this cheered you up 
> Leslie...LOL  Charlie
> On 06/06/2011 11:27 AM, Leslie wrote:
>> George,
>>
>> I have to fight the urge to have her with me every second.  The best 
>> I can offer her is to sleep untouched for an hour or so during the 
>> day.  I don't want her hiding under the furniture all the time.  That 
>> is not a normal behavior for her, hence, I am attempting to put a 
>> stop to it.  I think she gets it, she was in the hallway on the rug 
>> this morning.  But I had to take her to her litter box.  Then she 
>> insisted I open the door rather than her using the kitty door....I 
>> fear a decision will need to be made shortly.  But I just want a few 
>> more days to try.  She is really not doing well.  I am merely 
>> sustaining her.  The rest is up to her body.
>>
>>
>> Leslie Busino
>>
>> Always be the difference with kindness of heart.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:37 PM, George Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> Leslie,
>>>
>>> Sounds like you are doing everything you can! Vet sounds good. I had 
>>> forgotten about the baby food. Maria reminded me of that last night. 
>>> That would have been my next suggestion. The fact that she is 
>>> looking to you when you come in from groceries. Does she have a 
>>> favorite cat treat? Maybe giving her a couple of cat treats when you 
>>> come in for groceries might help.
>>>
>>> One thing that I did not mention. I used to lay on the floor with 
>>> Sammy and gently rub his head down to between his shoulder blades. 
>>> Also the spine where the tail starts. I would quietly talk to him. I 
>>> would spend 10 to 15 minutes a few times a day during his most 
>>> difficult times, but always a couple of times a day. You are 
>>> probably already doing this. Making a big fuss over her at times 
>>> oyher than feeding medication may help. Anything that promotes 
>>> bonding. Maybe more affection than usual to get her over the 
>>> difficut time will help.
>>>
>>> Will keep you all in thought and prayer.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Busino" 
>>> <partybug at charter.net>
>>> To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [450] Emily
>>>
>>>
>>>> George,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for the hints on food.  I am taking your stance 
>>>> food wise. Although I did get gerber baby food too.  Highest in 
>>>> protein I could.  She actually sniffed it.  I have been on the 
>>>> phone with the vet. Last night I pulled a high number on her BG, 
>>>> over 290. I called him and told him what was happening to her.  I 
>>>> loaded her with about 6 cc's of water and tried a couple of nibbles 
>>>> of food, no dice, so she went the night on water only. Woke and she 
>>>> was 321.  I decided that was enough. Put her on the counter and 
>>>> forced down over an ounce of food into her belly.  AND water back 
>>>> and forth between bites.  She started to get "pissy" at me, but 
>>>> when I said "NO" in my normal sharp tone when she is doing 
>>>> something she should not, she responded with her normal demeanor 
>>>> pre-ill.  She put her paw down even though she wanted to scratch 
>>>> the hell out of me.  I actually looked at her without pity and 
>>>> laughed.
>>>> She is just now done with her second bout with me injecting food 
>>>> into her. So she has had two tiny meals today.  She is not hiding 
>>>> like she was and she is still not purring.  (this is the true sign 
>>>> of happy cat, not a nervous behavior for her in particular)  Once 
>>>> she purrs, we are out of the woods and on the field again.  I spoke 
>>>> to her doc and he thinks my tough stance is going to work a heck of 
>>>> a lot better.  I have to up her insulin by one unit tonight based 
>>>> on her food intake.  He is all about me managing her care and last 
>>>> night when I spoke to him he let me know that he thinks the same as 
>>>> I do, Emily was absolutely destroyed emotionally being away from 
>>>> home and stuck in the cage at the vet.  He felt very afraid for her 
>>>> even though she had to have the IV in for 48 hours.  He said he was 
>>>> very concerned with her decline in emotion.  When I went to visit 
>>>> her, it was all I could do to not detach the IV and run out the 
>>>> door with her.  She won't be there again except for necessary 
>>>> visits.  No stays.
>>>> He is a good vet thus far.  He did warn me the only other option is 
>>>> an extreme specialist.  But that it was highly cost prohibitive and 
>>>> not necessarily a viable solution.
>>>> I don't think she got into anything.  II only have an English Ivy 
>>>> in the house, she has been with it all of her life and does not do 
>>>> anything with it.  Actually, we noticed she got ill when I brought 
>>>> home the bouquet from my Dads memorial service.  It promptly went 
>>>> outside and that was the end of that. (that was back in April, no 
>>>> correlation)
>>>> Em is hopefully heading toward the light again.  She is expressing 
>>>> a little more interest in us.  Not by much, but a little.  She 
>>>> actually just sniffed Robert's finger which he stuck in his ear for 
>>>> ear wax. (disgusting - blech - ugh)  And she looked up at me when I 
>>>> came in with the groceries.  We are keeping her from hiding on us 
>>>> and staying in her funk.  She is jumping off the counter a little 
>>>> better.  She better not make me feed her forcefully for too long! 
>>>> I hate doing it to her but will continue until I see her chubby 
>>>> little bod heading for her water and food. She still smells sick 
>>>> inside.  It is likely due to her high BG.  And the pancreas not 
>>>> doing so hot.  The one thing she hates big time and it hurts when I 
>>>> have to give it to her is the antibiotic.  She puts holes in me 
>>>> when I give it to her.  BUT she also exhibits strength.  Good sign 
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks George, if you think of anything...let me know.  I think I 
>>>> am okay with the Vet for now.  Em cannot abide the car for too 
>>>> long, he is about a mile down the road.  This works nicely.  And my 
>>>> initial impression with him is that he is a kind hearted soul with 
>>>> a good sense of what needs to be done.  Em is only at half of her 
>>>> life span right now as far as I am concerned.  When we get her 
>>>> level, there is always the possibility that we could see her go 
>>>> into remission in a year or so.  We shall see.  If I have to give 
>>>> her insulin for life, so be it.  I am hoping a long life so I guess 
>>>> we had best be prepared for the long haul!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Andrews" 
>>>> <gandrews at ntplx.net>
>>>> To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 8:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [450] Emily
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Leslie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sammy cattus survived so many things, including a spinal cord 
>>>>> stroke. He did get so sick that he was barely mobile. Some cats do 
>>>>> not like fish. I would still try the water from tuna and water, no 
>>>>> salt, no oil. See if she will drink it. Another thing to try is 
>>>>> some diced chicken that you have for a meal, no spices , no salt. 
>>>>> From what youy have told me, I can't suggest much else in terms of 
>>>>> food.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have found that there is a very wide range of "standard of care" 
>>>>> with vets. We had emergencies with Sammy and were told on one 
>>>>> occasion that we needed to think about how far we wanted to go 
>>>>> with this. This particular vet suggested putting him down. They 
>>>>> could not tell me what was wrong with him! Needless to say, I did 
>>>>> not listen. Some will provide care, but nothing aggressive. Them 
>>>>> there are those who will actively work with you to do whatever can 
>>>>> be done to keep Emily healthy. Do you have a dose vs. blood sugar 
>>>>> level you work from? Do you report this to your vet and does 
>>>>> he/she periodically adjust it? This is one standard of care I 
>>>>> would expect (advice is by phone so there is no charge). Has there 
>>>>> been any imaging of pancreas/liver to see what is happening there?
>>>>>
>>>>> We have always taken our cats to cats only vets for the most part. 
>>>>> The one time we did not do this and Sammy required a several night 
>>>>> stay, he did not do well. About the only way I can describe it is 
>>>>> depressed. He never liked to be away from us, but it was worse if 
>>>>> he had to stay with dogs around.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thought, do you have plants in the house? We have gotten 
>>>>> rid of all plants toxic to cats. It took us two times to 
>>>>> understand some plants are simply not compatible with cats. Twice 
>>>>> our cats got so sick, we thought they would not live. Anything 
>>>>> else she might have gotten into? The vet probably already 
>>>>> mentioned this.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for humans, sometimes a second or third opinion is good. 
>>>>> Towards the end we did this for Sammy. It may seem like a lot of 
>>>>> trouble and expense to do this, but I could not do anything else 
>>>>> for him. If you want some names of vets, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Busino" 
>>>>> <partybug at charter.net>
>>>>> To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:43 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [450] Emily
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> George,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am having to force her right now.  She has not gone to the 
>>>>>> litter box at all.  She has no real favorites as long as it is 
>>>>>> wet food Fancy Feast Classic.  She sticks in the turkey and 
>>>>>> giblet and chicken and beef.  No fish.  She tends to get sick 
>>>>>> everytime she gets her teeth into something that might have fish 
>>>>>> in it.  So, I decided long ago that she must have an aversion to 
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
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