[450] 450 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36
Bob
N1UJS at toast.net
Sun Mar 22 07:07:02 EDT 2009
That would be cool....
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From: Alan Fletcher
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Subject: Re: [450] 450 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36
I also wanted to add that I heard from Al, KB1QEX last night and he says he will be attending too. Not sure if he was planning on the pub & grub thing, although he did mention it, because I lost signal from the 444.500 Woodbridge repeater on my way back from Orange.
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> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:38:28 -0500
> From: "Bob" <N1UJS at toast.net>
> Subject: [450] Post Southington Hamfest Activity Sunday the 22nd
> To: "Bob" <N1UJS at toast.net>
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> Hi all,
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> The "450 Group", dedicated to the promotion of simplex activity on two meters and beyond, wishes to extend an invitation to the "580 simplex group", the "SPARC simplex net group", and all other operators interested, to join us "post 'fest" (say between 11:00 and 12:00 and beyond) for an informal "meet & greet" at "Sam The Clam Pub & Grub" 1303 Meriden Waterbury Tpke, Plantsville, CT (exit 3 off 691 or just due south of the 'fest on route 10) to hang out, enjoy some beer, grub, antenna discussion, or just to "put a face to the name and call" !
>
> Already known to be attending are:
>
> N1UJS Bob, KB1MPV Leslie, and son Nick
> KB1FSY Dave & Kim
> KB1DTD Woody
> N1UJU Alan
> N1OGC Tom
> W2TMA Rich
> KC2KXV Vinnie
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> Hope to see you all there!
> Please pass this on to other potentially interested operators!
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> From: Alan Fletcher <proaudio5 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [450] 450 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 34
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> When are you guys going to head to Pub&Grub? I'm bringing the YL and she doesn't really wanna hang out at the 'fest all day. I'm figuring we'll do about an hour or maybe a little more and then head to Sam's with the crew. Anybody got an HT so I can find y'all once we get there?
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> de N1UJU
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> > 1. Re: Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of
> > Amateur Radio Question Pools (Vinnie Grosso)
> > 2. Re: Mobile loop install pics (n1ujs at toast.net)
> > 3. Re: Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of
> > Amateur Radio Question Pools (djmay at comcast.net)
> > 4. Station picture (David McKenzie)
> > 5. Re: Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size
> > ofAmateur Radio Question Pools (Vinnie Grosso)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:39:23 -0400
> > From: "Vinnie Grosso" <vinnie at vinnievision.com>
> > Subject: Re: [450] Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size
> > of Amateur Radio Question Pools
> > To: 450 at lists.vhfwiki.com
> > Message-ID: <49C3D4CB.397.169664F at vinnie.vinnievision.com>
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> >
> > so this opens the door for the NCVEC to add more questions, if they like. And
> > to open a new debate like the "code-- no-code" debate. All of it the wrong
> > thing for Ham radio. I think the guy that proposed it, like Some folks, have a
> > superiority complex. This is why 11 meters remains so popular. Also what
> > *everyone* seems to forget, is that air waves are "public" and jump across
> > boundaries without stopping.
> >
> > just my 2 cents
> >
> > On 20 Mar 2009 at 15:18, djmay at comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Food for thought...
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Forwarded Message -----
> > > From: "ARRL Web site" <memberlist at www.arrl.org>
> > > To: djmay at comcast.net
> > > Cc: Subscribed ARRL Members:;
> > > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:32:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> > > Eastern
> > > Subject: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur
> > > Radio
> > > Question Pools
> > >
> > > SB QST @ ARL $ARLB016
> > > ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio
> > > Question Pools
> > >
> > > ZCZC AG16
> > > QST de W1AW
> > > ARRL Bulletin 16 ARLB016
> > > From ARRL Headquarters
> > > Newington CT March 20, 2009
> > > To all radio amateurs
> > >
> > > SB QST ARL ARLB016
> > > ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio
> > > Question Pools
> > >
> > > In April 2008, Michael Mancuso, KI4NGN, of Raleigh, North
> > > Carolina,
> > > filed a petition with the FCC, seeking to increase the size of
> > > the
> > > question pools that make up the Amateur Radio licensing exams.
> > > Mancuso sought to increase the question pool from 10 times the
> > > number of questions on an exam to 50 times more questions. On
> > > March
> > > 19, 2009, the Commission notified Mancuso that it was denying
> > > his
> > > petition.
> > >
> > > In his 2008 petition, Mancuso claimed that the current question
> > > pool
> > > is too easy to memorize and "that there has been a significant
> > > increase in the number of Amateur Radio operators receiving
> > > their
> > > licenses over at least the last decade or more who do not appear
> > > to
> > > possess the knowledge indicated by the class of license that
> > > they
> > > have received. Most discussion about this topic, both on the air
> > > and
> > > on Internet forums, generally refers to these widespread
> > > observations as the 'dumbing down' of Amateur Radio. It has
> > > been
> > > widely assumed that the cause of this observed situation is
> > > based
> > > upon the subject material addressed by the license
> > > examinations,
> > > that the material requirements specified for the examinations
> > > does
> > > [sic] not meet some minimum level of knowledge expected by some
> > > or
> > > many in the Amateur Radio community."
> > >
> > > The FCC pointed out to Mancuso that ea
> >
> >
> > Vincent Grosso
> > Vontage and Cell 917-546-6661
> > The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent it
> > Carl Mangold
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:26:19 -0400
> > From: "n1ujs at toast.net" <n1ujs at toast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [450] Mobile loop install pics
> > To: 450 at lists.vhfwiki.com
> > Message-ID: <dbfcb75fdc8545e0a947427eec122178.N1UJS at TOAST.NET>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > No problem....measure the space you DO have from roof to garage door, and mount it at that
> > height! Simple!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > ------- Original Message -------
> > >From : Charles Woodside[mailto:n1muq at optonline.net]
> > Sent : 3/20/2009 12:36:09 AM
> > To : 450 at lists.vhfwiki.com
> > Cc :
> > Subject : RE: Re: [450] Mobile loop install pics
> >
> >
> > Bob
> > It won't happen anytime soon for the car, I need to
> > get in and out of the garage with my vehicle. I do plan on ordering the stacked
> > loops soon though. Just give me a little time. Before you know it I will be
> > horizontal....in the good sense. Charlie N1MUQ
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > Bob
> > To: 144.450 Mailing List
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:23
> > PM
> > Subject: Re: [450] Mobile loop install
> > pics
> >
> >
> > So......make a pair for you and YOUR honey
> > then......
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > Charles
> > Woodside
> > To: 144.450 Mailing List
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:59
> > PM
> > Subject: Re: [450] Mobile loop install
> > pics
> >
> >
> > So cute His & Her Loops... I'm
> > jealous..Charlie N1MUQ
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:38:25 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: djmay at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: [450] Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size
> > of Amateur Radio Question Pools
> > To: vinnie at vinnievision.com, "144.450 Mailing List"
> > <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
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> > <1174222991.3832571237581505582.JavaMail.root at sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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> > It's interesting this just came out today, Vinnie, as I just started putting my nose to the grindstone for my general about 4 days ago.? It seems like maybe you should get it while you can, before something changes.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vinnie Grosso" <vinnie at vinnievision.com>
> > To: 450 at lists.vhfwiki.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:39:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [450] Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio Question Pools
> >
> > so this opens the door for the NCVEC to add more questions, if they like. And
> > to open a new debate like the "code-- ?no-code" debate. All of it the wrong
> > thing for Ham radio. ?I think the guy that proposed it, like Some folks, have a
> > superiority complex. This is why 11 meters remains so popular. ?Also what
> > *everyone* seems to forget, is that air waves are "public" and jump across
> > boundaries without stopping.
> >
> > just my 2 cents
> >
> > On 20 Mar 2009 at 15:18, djmay at comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ? ? Food for thought...
> > > ? ?
> > > ? ?
> > > ? ? ----- Forwarded Message -----
> > > ? ? From: "ARRL Web site" <memberlist at www.arrl.org>
> > > ? ? To: djmay at comcast.net
> > > ? ? Cc: Subscribed ARRL Members:;
> > > ? ? Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:32:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> > > Eastern
> > > ? ? Subject: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur
> > > Radio
> > > ? ? Question Pools
> > > ? ?
> > > ? ? SB QST @ ARL $ARLB016
> > > ? ? ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio
> > > ? ? Question Pools
> > > ? ?
> > > ? ? ZCZC AG16
> > > ? ? QST de W1AW
> > > ? ? ARRL Bulletin 16 ARLB016
> > > ? ? From ARRL Headquarters
> > > ? ? Newington CT March 20, 2009
> > > ? ? To all radio amateurs
> > > ? ?
> > > ? ? SB QST ARL ARLB016
> > > ? ? ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio
> > > ? ? Question Pools
> > > ? ?
> > > ? ? In April 2008, Michael Mancuso, KI4NGN, of Raleigh, North
> > > Carolina,
> > > ? ? filed a petition with the FCC, seeking to increase the size of
> > > the
> > > ? ? question pools that make up the Amateur Radio licensing exams.
> > > ? ? Mancuso sought to increase the question pool from 10 times the
> > > ? ? number of questions on an exam to 50 times more questions. On
> > > March
> > > ? ? 19, 2009, the Commission notified Mancuso that it was denying
> > > his
> > > ? ? petition.
> > > ? ?
> > > ? ? In his 2008 petition, Mancuso claimed that the current question
> > > pool
> > > ? ? is too easy to memorize and "that there has been a significant
> > > ? ? increase in the number of Amateur Radio operators receiving
> > > their
> > > ? ? licenses over at least the last decade or more who do not appear
> > > to
> > > ? ? possess the knowledge indicated by the class of license that
> > > they
> > > ? ? have received. Most discussion about this topic, both on the air
> > > and
> > > ? ? on Internet forums, generally refers to these widespread
> > > ? ? observations as the 'dumbing down' of Amateur Radio. It has
> > > been
> > > ? ? widely assumed that the cause of this observed situation is
> > > based
> > > ? ? upon the subject material addressed by the license
> > > examinations,
> > > ? ? that the material requirements specified for the examinations
> > > does
> > > ? ? [sic] not meet some minimum level of knowledge expected by some
> > > or
> > > ? ? many in the Amateur Radio community."
> > > ? ?
> > > ? ? The FCC pointed out to Mancuso that ea
> >
> >
> > Vincent Grosso
> > Vontage and Cell 917-546-6661
> > The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent it
> > Carl Mangold
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> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:40:31 -0400
> > From: David McKenzie <kb1fsy at vhfwiki.com>
> > Subject: [450] Station picture
> > To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
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> > Evolving....
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1L8VjgpkNgDLpUFVJwtPZA?authkey=Gv1sRgCPT5vcfe3b_YQg&feat=directlink
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> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:16:41 +0000
> > From: "Vinnie Grosso" <vinnie at vinnievision.com>
> > Subject: Re: [450] Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size
> > ofAmateur Radio Question Pools
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> > Probably nothing will change for a while. I'm actually memorizing my way to Extra -- just like the man says :). Vinnie
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: djmay at comcast.net
> >
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:38:25
> > To: <vinnie at vinnievision.com>; 144.450 Mailing List<450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
> > Subject: Re: [450] Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of
> > Amateur Radio Question Pools
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