[450] 450 Digest, Vol 2, Issue 34

Alan Fletcher proaudio5 at hotmail.com
Sun Mar 22 01:44:44 EDT 2009


When are you guys going to head to Pub&Grub? I'm bringing the YL and she doesn't really wanna hang out at the 'fest all day. I'm figuring we'll do about an hour or maybe a little more and then head to Sam's with the crew. Anybody got an HT so I can find y'all once we get there?

de N1UJU

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>    1. Re: Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of
>       Amateur Radio Question Pools (Vinnie Grosso)
>    2. Re: Mobile loop install pics (n1ujs at toast.net)
>    3. Re: Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of
>       Amateur Radio Question Pools (djmay at comcast.net)
>    4. Station picture (David McKenzie)
>    5. Re: Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size
>       ofAmateur Radio Question Pools (Vinnie Grosso)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:39:23 -0400
> From: "Vinnie Grosso" <vinnie at vinnievision.com>
> Subject: Re: [450] Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size
> 	of	Amateur Radio Question Pools
> To: 450 at lists.vhfwiki.com
> Message-ID: <49C3D4CB.397.169664F at vinnie.vinnievision.com>
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> so this opens the door for the NCVEC to add more questions, if they like. And 
> to open a new debate like the "code--  no-code" debate. All of it the wrong 
> thing for Ham radio.  I think the guy that proposed it, like Some folks, have a 
> superiority complex. This is why 11 meters remains so popular.  Also what 
> *everyone* seems to forget, is that air waves are "public" and jump across 
> boundaries without stopping.
> 
> just my 2 cents
> 
> On 20 Mar 2009 at 15:18, djmay at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > 
> >     Food for thought...
> >     
> >     
> >     ----- Forwarded Message -----
> >     From: "ARRL Web site" <memberlist at www.arrl.org>
> >     To: djmay at comcast.net
> >     Cc: Subscribed ARRL Members:;
> >     Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:32:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> > Eastern
> >     Subject: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur
> > Radio 
> >     Question Pools
> >     
> >     SB QST @ ARL $ARLB016
> >     ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio
> >     Question Pools
> >     
> >     ZCZC AG16
> >     QST de W1AW 
> >     ARRL Bulletin 16 ARLB016
> >     From ARRL Headquarters 
> >     Newington CT March 20, 2009
> >     To all radio amateurs 
> >     
> >     SB QST ARL ARLB016
> >     ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio
> >     Question Pools
> >     
> >     In April 2008, Michael Mancuso, KI4NGN, of Raleigh, North
> > Carolina,
> >     filed a petition with the FCC, seeking to increase the size of
> > the
> >     question pools that make up the Amateur Radio licensing exams.
> >     Mancuso sought to increase the question pool from 10 times the
> >     number of questions on an exam to 50 times more questions. On
> > March
> >     19, 2009, the Commission notified Mancuso that it was denying
> > his
> >     petition.
> >     
> >     In his 2008 petition, Mancuso claimed that the current question
> > pool
> >     is too easy to memorize and "that there has been a significant
> >     increase in the number of Amateur Radio operators receiving
> > their
> >     licenses over at least the last decade or more who do not appear
> > to
> >     possess the knowledge indicated by the class of license that
> > they
> >     have received. Most discussion about this topic, both on the air
> > and
> >     on Internet forums, generally refers to these widespread
> >     observations as the 'dumbing down' of Amateur Radio. It has
> > been
> >     widely assumed that the cause of this observed situation is
> > based
> >     upon the subject material addressed by the license
> > examinations,
> >     that the material requirements specified for the examinations
> > does
> >     [sic] not meet some minimum level of knowledge expected by some
> > or
> >     many in the Amateur Radio community."
> >     
> >     The FCC pointed out to Mancuso that ea
> 
> 
> Vincent Grosso
> Vontage and Cell 917-546-6661
> The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent it
> Carl Mangold
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:26:19 -0400
> From: "n1ujs at toast.net" <n1ujs at toast.net>
> Subject: Re: [450] Mobile loop install pics
> To: 450 at lists.vhfwiki.com
> Message-ID: <dbfcb75fdc8545e0a947427eec122178.N1UJS at TOAST.NET>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> No problem....measure the space you DO have from roof to garage door, and mount it at that 
> height!  Simple!!!
> 
> 
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
> >From    : Charles Woodside[mailto:n1muq at optonline.net]
> Sent    : 3/20/2009 12:36:09 AM
> To      : 450 at lists.vhfwiki.com
> Cc      : 
> Subject : RE: Re: [450] Mobile loop install pics
> 
>  
> Bob
> It won't happen anytime soon for the car, I need to 
> get in and out of the garage with my vehicle. I do plan on ordering the stacked 
> loops soon though. Just give me a little time. Before you know it I will be 
> horizontal....in the good sense. Charlie N1MUQ
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: 
>   Bob 
>   To: 144.450 Mailing List 
>   Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:23 
>   PM
>   Subject: Re: [450] Mobile loop install 
>   pics
>   
> 
>   So......make a pair for you and YOUR honey 
>   then......
>   
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: 
>     Charles 
>     Woodside 
>     To: 144.450 Mailing List 
>     Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:59 
>     PM
>     Subject: Re: [450] Mobile loop install 
>     pics
>     
> 
>     So cute His & Her Loops... I'm 
>     jealous..Charlie N1MUQ
>      
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:38:25 +0000 (UTC)
> From: djmay at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [450] Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size
> 	of Amateur Radio Question Pools
> To: vinnie at vinnievision.com, "144.450 Mailing List"
> 	<450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
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> It's interesting this just came out today, Vinnie, as I just started putting my nose to the grindstone for my general about 4 days ago.? It seems like maybe you should get it while you can, before something changes. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Vinnie Grosso" <vinnie at vinnievision.com> 
> To: 450 at lists.vhfwiki.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:39:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [450] Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio Question Pools 
> 
> so this opens the door for the NCVEC to add more questions, if they like. And 
> to open a new debate like the "code-- ?no-code" debate. All of it the wrong 
> thing for Ham radio. ?I think the guy that proposed it, like Some folks, have a 
> superiority complex. This is why 11 meters remains so popular. ?Also what 
> *everyone* seems to forget, is that air waves are "public" and jump across 
> boundaries without stopping. 
> 
> just my 2 cents 
> 
> On 20 Mar 2009 at 15:18, djmay at comcast.net wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > ? ? Food for thought... 
> > ? ? 
> > ? ? 
> > ? ? ----- Forwarded Message ----- 
> > ? ? From: "ARRL Web site" <memberlist at www.arrl.org> 
> > ? ? To: djmay at comcast.net 
> > ? ? Cc: Subscribed ARRL Members:; 
> > ? ? Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:32:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> > Eastern 
> > ? ? Subject: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur 
> > Radio 
> > ? ? Question Pools 
> > ? ? 
> > ? ? SB QST @ ARL $ARLB016 
> > ? ? ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio 
> > ? ? Question Pools 
> > ? ? 
> > ? ? ZCZC AG16 
> > ? ? QST de W1AW 
> > ? ? ARRL Bulletin 16 ARLB016 
> > ? ? From ARRL Headquarters 
> > ? ? Newington CT March 20, 2009 
> > ? ? To all radio amateurs 
> > ? ? 
> > ? ? SB QST ARL ARLB016 
> > ? ? ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size of Amateur Radio 
> > ? ? Question Pools 
> > ? ? 
> > ? ? In April 2008, Michael Mancuso, KI4NGN, of Raleigh, North 
> > Carolina, 
> > ? ? filed a petition with the FCC, seeking to increase the size of 
> > the 
> > ? ? question pools that make up the Amateur Radio licensing exams. 
> > ? ? Mancuso sought to increase the question pool from 10 times the 
> > ? ? number of questions on an exam to 50 times more questions. On 
> > March 
> > ? ? 19, 2009, the Commission notified Mancuso that it was denying 
> > his 
> > ? ? petition. 
> > ? ? 
> > ? ? In his 2008 petition, Mancuso claimed that the current question 
> > pool 
> > ? ? is too easy to memorize and "that there has been a significant 
> > ? ? increase in the number of Amateur Radio operators receiving 
> > their 
> > ? ? licenses over at least the last decade or more who do not appear 
> > to 
> > ? ? possess the knowledge indicated by the class of license that 
> > they 
> > ? ? have received. Most discussion about this topic, both on the air 
> > and 
> > ? ? on Internet forums, generally refers to these widespread 
> > ? ? observations as the 'dumbing down' of Amateur Radio. It has 
> > been 
> > ? ? widely assumed that the cause of this observed situation is 
> > based 
> > ? ? upon the subject material addressed by the license 
> > examinations, 
> > ? ? that the material requirements specified for the examinations 
> > does 
> > ? ? [sic] not meet some minimum level of knowledge expected by some 
> > or 
> > ? ? many in the Amateur Radio community." 
> > ? ? 
> > ? ? The FCC pointed out to Mancuso that ea 
> 
> 
> Vincent Grosso 
> Vontage and Cell 917-546-6661 
> The Best Way to Predict the Future is to Invent it 
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> From: David McKenzie <kb1fsy at vhfwiki.com>
> Subject: [450] Station picture
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> Evolving....
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> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1L8VjgpkNgDLpUFVJwtPZA?authkey=Gv1sRgCPT5vcfe3b_YQg&feat=directlink
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> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:16:41 +0000
> From: "Vinnie Grosso" <vinnie at vinnievision.com>
> Subject: Re: [450] Fwd: ARLB016 FCC Denies Petition to Increase Size
> 	ofAmateur Radio Question Pools
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> Probably nothing will change for a while. I'm actually memorizing my way to Extra -- just like the man says :). Vinnie
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: djmay at comcast.net
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> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:38:25 
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