<div dir="ltr">Interesting discussion on 10 MHz standard timing ref distribution amps and etc.<br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Edward R Cole</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kl7uw@acsalaska.net">kl7uw@acsalaska.net</a>></span><br>
Date: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:39 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] Distribution Amplifier<br>To: Mike KL6M <<a href="mailto:melum@alaska.net">melum@alaska.net</a>>, w2drz <<a href="mailto:w2drz@ramcoinc.com">w2drz@ramcoinc.com</a>><br>
Cc: Moon-Net <<a href="mailto:moon-net@mailman.pe1itr.com">moon-net@mailman.pe1itr.com</a>><br><br><br>Mike,<br>
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I am using two of the DEMI model 10-4 for 10-MHz<br>
distribution for my station. One line goes to my<br>
counter & scope for frequency check against a<br>
Rubidium, others to radio equipment. I have a<br>
couple spare outputs that are terminated with<br>
loads as spares for future expansion.<br>
<br>
I found that the output of my OCXO had harmonic<br>
energy so did not look like a sine wave. The<br>
DEMI filters cleaned that up very nicely. The<br>
DEMI unit outputs +10 dBm regardless of input<br>
level. That appears to be a good level for most<br>
equipment that utilize an external reference.<br>
<br>
I also have noted that the Apol A32 and Apol VHF<br>
synthesizers appear not to present a 50-ohm<br>
termination. I found a test point on the synth<br>
board where proper levels can be measured. The waveform is good there.<br>
<br>
I have an A32 on 1296 and VHF synth on 432. My<br>
K3 uses 10-MHz ext. ref. One line is dedicated<br>
as LO for a future 600m downconverter, and I am<br>
building a 10-GHz beacon using a A32.<br>
<br>
73, Ed - KL7UW<br>
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At 02:14 PM 12/3/2013, Mike KL6M wrote:<br>
>Another point on the DEMI unit, it individually amplifies, and THEN<br>
>filters each output so you have a very clean sine wave at each output. I<br>
>found this to be very important when distributing GPS derived 10MHz.<br>
><br>
>The output of my GPS looks like a perfect sine wave, but when applied to<br>
>the reference input of a A32 synthesizer caused significant additional<br>
>phase noise. When I filtered it externally the noise was reduced.<br>
><br>
>One should probably check 10MHz VSWR on long runs just to make sure no<br>
>distortion is added from that. Maybe.<br>
><br>
>73<br>
><br>
>Mike, KL6M BP51dc <a href="http://www.qsl.net/kl6m" target="_blank">http://www.qsl.net/kl6m</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> > Hi Steve,<br>
> > DEMI has what you describe now, I use it here and for several years has<br>
> > worked great. called 10-4.<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/cat-frame.htm" target="_blank">http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/cat-frame.htm</a><br>
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> > tom W2DRZ<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > From: Stephen Hanselman<br>
> > To: Moon-Net ; Moon-net<br>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:42 PM<br>
> > Subject: [Moon-Net] Distribution Amplifier<br>
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> ><br>
> > Good Morning,<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > It seems my company has a need for spreading our 10MHz standard around<br>
> > the building. So I am in the process of laying out a buffered 1 in 6<br>
> > out distribution amp. Given the trend to use a GPS or Rubidium clock as<br>
> > a shack standard I figured there might be some community interest is<br>
> > either the bare PCB, a kit, or finished boards.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > At this point what I have is about 4x6 inches, each output will have pi<br>
> > attenuators to set levels, but I have no costs. The splitter used is<br>
> > $29.00 but the bare PCB cost is unknown. The project is entirely SMD so<br>
> > you’d have to be able to solder small parts. All caps and resistors<br>
> > are at least 1206.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Yes this is shamelessly self-serving, my shop needs one, I need one, and<br>
> > if a few more folks wanted them I could get my own costs down. For<br>
> > anything less than a turnkey finished product the parts will be at cost<br>
> > plus actual shipping(yet to be determined). If enough folks wanted<br>
> > finished boards (probably 10 minimum) I have a production house that<br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Anyone interested?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Steve KC4SW<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > 73's<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW<br>
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</div></div>73, Ed - KL7UW<br>
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