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<DIV>True, George. I should have qualified my statement...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>obviously I have not had to live under a
dictatorship (unless you count My mom growing up)....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>And I certainly appreciate your right to get up
on your soapbox.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>You should therefore expect that I will have
something to say in reply.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>And I respect your practical experience with
different philosophies, it appears greater then my own. However, I do have a
degree with a minor in Western Civilization, so I have a little understanding of
these things as well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>And I would also defend your right to say
whatever you want...as long as it doesn’t reach the point of causing damage to
others.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>And I do think all of this RIght-Wing Hatred IS
causing damage to our culture...but I don’t suppose to have the answers as to
what we do about it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>You and I are obviously a microcosm of our
society at large...diametrically opposed in our political views. But I
hope we don’t follow our leaders in their complete unwillingness to see the
others point of view and find a common understanding of the issues.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Peace.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>P.S How's the weather up there? Have you had the
same drought like conditions we are all experiencing? Do you have any water on
your property...stream, creek etc.?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=gandrews@ntplx.net
href="mailto:gandrews@ntplx.net">George Andrews</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:30 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=450@lists.vhfwiki.com
href="mailto:450@lists.vhfwiki.com">450@lists.vhfwiki.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [450] More tales from Amerika !!</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Richard,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I
did not know you lived under a fascist regime or two! Your comments addressed to
others imply experience of life under a fascist dictatorship.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I
am familiar enough with history to see the rise, decay and fall of a number of
culture and societies.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">And
yes, it is easy to sit back and criticize our government. I do that from
knowledge of the history of our way of life and the various philosophies which
gave rise to the thinking that was the foundation from which our government
came. I will agree with you, much of what I and others might say will sound
“funny” to those who do not know or understand history. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I
am very familiar with Socialism, Communism and Fascism. I have read Mao, Marx,
Lenin, Trotsky, Adolf Hitler and Communist Party USA stuff. I am familiar with
the early American Labor movement (Wobblies, Socialist Workers Party etc) In my
early twenties I considered myself to be a Socialist. In the college days I hung
out with the radical left. The circle consisted of CPUSA, Socialist Workers
Party, Weathermen, Black Student Union, Black Panthers, Women’s lib etc. As I
studied all these various “philosophies”, I began to see that all of these
“groups” placed a higher value on the state rather than the individual. Because
of the knowledge of history, I began to realize that this thinking was in
conflict with the thinking of our founding fathers. So my thinking changed to a
Thomas Paine anarchist. I am now more libertarian.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I
was on speaking terms with CPUSA folks. One was a presidential candidate, the
other just a regular guy. I would invite him out to shoot an AK47 because of the
heated dialog that would follow. It was interesting. It provide opportunity to
stay in tune with how CPUSA people think (somewhat different from
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">So
Rich, you describe yourself as a progressive. As such, are you in favor of
redistribution of wealth (your income belongs to the state… from each according
to ability, to each according to need). Do you believe the state should make
your health care decisions for you? Do you believe in private property or
collective ownership? Are you in favor of free speech, or should it be
restricted to only that which is politically correct? Many believe that only
speech that is politically correct/acceptable should be permitted. Any other
speech is to be repressed. Simply put, as it stands today, progressivism places
the state at the top of the pyramid. Individual rights are those granted by the
state. Principally, the individual must serve the state. You agree with this
oversimplified concept?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I
believe that the individual is at the top of the pyramid. Individuals form
governments to serve our needs. The power and authority given to government are
very limited. As an individual, I can’t build a road to go from New Haven to
Hartford. But there are other individuals who have a similar need. So we gather
together and form a government to take care of needs that we cannot supply as
individuals. And always, the government serves the people. We basically hire
them to supply our needs. They are in fact “public servants”. If you can find a
copy “Oxford History of the American People” is a great read.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Rich,
we are probably opposites in thinking in most things. However, I believe in and
would defend your right to express your thoughts. Additionally, everyone has a
right to a soapbox. Would you do likewise for those who differently than you do?
Many progressives give lip service to “embracing diversity”. But that is all it
is…lip service. You seem to be ridiculing people who might think differently
than you. Maybe I read you wrong.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">George<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
450-bounces@lists.vhfwiki.com [mailto:450-bounces@lists.vhfwiki.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Rich<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:16
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 450@lists.vhfwiki.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [450] More tales
from Amerika !!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Wow....you folks
really should have had to live under a fascist dictatorship or two. Then you
would know how silly some of the things you say really sound.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Bottom line is, its
easy to sit back and criticize our way of life / governing...because the
freedoms we have allow you to do that.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">But you really should
know how funny it all sounds to a reasonable person! I mean come on, what today
even comes close to taking your first-born son.... I know you were just playing
devils advocate, Bob...but really!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">And if you want to
talk about History, George....maybe you should start by understanding the
difference between “Socialism” and Communism/Fascism...which is what you are
alluding to.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Come on, some other
reasonable people need to back me up on
this....hello??!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Richard, your friendly
neighborhood progressive<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=n1ujs@toast.net href="mailto:n1ujs@toast.net">Bob</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Saturday, October 26, 2013 5:26 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=450@lists.vhfwiki.com href="mailto:450@lists.vhfwiki.com">450</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> Re:
[450] More tales from Amerika !!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Humans have stayed
relatively the same since the beginning of time (as they know
it).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The games and the
implements change a bit, but the misery they bestow upon others and the motives
remain unchanged.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The government's
policies as well...thinly veiled versions of taking the firstborn son, having
their way with your daughter, and guaranteeing involuntary servitude by whatever
means necessary continues.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">On Sat, Oct 26, 2013
at 4:26 PM, George Andrews <<A href="mailto:gandrews@ntplx.net"
target=_blank>gandrews@ntplx.net</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">The
Socialist “Utopian Dream” is well on its way. The Emperor is building his
Praetorian Guard. The USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika) is not far
away. Want to know the future? Know history!</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
href="mailto:450-bounces@lists.vhfwiki.com"
target=_blank>450-bounces@lists.vhfwiki.com</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:450-bounces@lists.vhfwiki.com"
target=_blank>450-bounces@lists.vhfwiki.com</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Foege<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:24 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 144.450
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [450] More tales from Amerika !!</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: black"><A
href="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/24/d-c-businessman-faces-2-years-in-prison-for-possessing-unregistered-ammo/"
target=_blank>http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/24/d-c-businessman-faces-2-years-in-prison-for-possessing-unregistered-ammo/</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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