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<DIV>Excellent points from the list master....I don’t think that anything got
out of hand; they were properly upbraided and no-one should be butt-hurt at the
rocket club...which we all know is a bunch of uber-geeks anyway. Maybe this will
inspire a couple of them to get their licenses?</DIV>
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<DIV>I see a couple of future-engineers ....perhaps one of them even speaks
German?</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=k1fsy@vhfwiki.com
href="mailto:k1fsy@vhfwiki.com">David McKenzie</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 20, 2013 10:29 AM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>sounds like they failed to follow club procedures and that the ham
link was unused and secondary anyway. while their experiments are cool and
interesting, we have a few people who worked really hard for their licenses and
don't like interference! bob did the right thing by emailing them, and they are
doing the right thing by inquiring about the use of the club license. There may
not have even been a ham on the balloon project so they were potentially
breaking federal law with their balloon which is serious and deserves some
reprimanding. <BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM, John Foege <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:john.foege@gmail.com"
target=_blank>john.foege@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P>And as a clarification, from their own project supervisors....not Bob.</P>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On May 20, 2013 4:19 PM, "John Foege" <<A
href="mailto:john.foege@gmail.com" target=_blank>john.foege@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR type="attribution">
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<P>Sure but it's a shared medium....as much as we would like to think we own
it, we don't. It's proper to check if the channel is not in use. I highly
suspect they did in fact do a local check up there and didn't hear anything.
It's different when the QTH is at 35,000 ft. Then it's LOS to the entire NE.
Either way....the probability of them choosing 450 or 440 AND running into a
group of people on VHF is so astronomically low. Moreso that they only do
this for 2 hours a year. And even crazier....we tracked it down to the
source.....</P>
<P>All in all pretty low odds of any of this happening!</P>
<P>Certainly, the tone with which the students responsible were addressed
was imho harsh...</P>
<P>Oh well...</P>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On May 20, 2013 3:40 PM, "Rich" <<A
href="mailto:t41@optonline.net" target=_blank>t41@optonline.net</A>>
wrote:<BR type="attribution">
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<DIV>Sorry, but they WERE in the wrong. If you are going to transmit from
a 100k foot location, its incumbent upon YOU to make sure the frequency is
clear. Also Bobs note was not accusatory or nasty. I think we just leave
it where it is.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=john.foege@gmail.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 20, 2013 4:47 AM</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob,<BR><BR></DIV>I agree with Chris...these people certainly feel
like they just got repirmanded for doing absolutely nothing
wrong.<BR><BR>I'd really suggest sending a letter to everyone involved and
telling them, that by no means does this represent a problem, and that you
are very happy that the students are using HAM radio for backup telemetry
data...<BR><BR></DIV>That you were suprised how far they got
out...<BR><BR>etc. etc....<BR><BR><BR>We don't want to poo poo people just
because we managed to hear their +10,000 FT ASL transmitters :P<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:10 AM, chris <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:cralt@comcast.net"
target=_blank>cralt@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Hopefully they are not discouraged from using ham radio for this
stuff. Maybe just suggest that they try shifting to a different freq so
they dont interfere with us and we dont interfere with them. There is
plenty of room in that part of the band for everyone. </DIV>
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<DIV>On May 19, 2013, at 7:01 PM, David McKenzie wrote:</DIV><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>cool, glad it's resolved and that we figured it
out<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Bob <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:n1ujs@toast.net"
target=_blank>n1ujs@toast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>The latest:<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>---------- Forwarded message
----------<BR>From: <B class=gmail_sendername>Kristina A. Lynch</B>
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:Kristina.A.Lynch@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>Kristina.A.Lynch@dartmouth.edu</A>></SPAN><BR>Date:
Sun, May 19, 2013 at 5:28 PM<BR>Subject: RE: Mystery QRM (2)<BR>To:
Max Fagin <<A href="mailto:maxfagin@gmail.com"
target=_blank>maxfagin@gmail.com</A>>, "David G. McGaw" <<A
href="mailto:David.G.McGaw@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>David.G.McGaw@dartmouth.edu</A>><BR>Cc: "Eric W.
Hansen" <<A href="mailto:Eric.W.Hansen@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>Eric.W.Hansen@dartmouth.edu</A>>, "Yorke J. Brown"
<<A href="mailto:Yorke.J.Brown@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>Yorke.J.Brown@dartmouth.edu</A>>, "Maxwell H.
Fagin" <<A href="mailto:Maxwell.H.Fagin@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>Maxwell.H.Fagin@dartmouth.edu</A>>, Bob <<A
href="mailto:n1ujs@toast.net" target=_blank>n1ujs@toast.net</A>>,
"Todd S. Anderson" <<A
href="mailto:Todd.S.Anderson.14@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>Todd.S.Anderson.14@dartmouth.edu</A>><BR><BR><BR>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; DIRECTION: ltr"><BR>Dave,
Eric-<BR>Please relay my apologies to the group who were disturbed
by our transmissions.<BR>We use the ham radio as our backup
telemetry system on our research balloons,<BR>for about 2 hours once
or twice a year; we have been doing this for <BR>approximately
five years. It is possible that Amanda Slagle (who graduated
<BR>last year) was in the habit of telling Dave McGaw ahead of
time? And this<BR>protocol got slipped since she left.
We can certainly be sure to let Dave know <BR>in the future, if that
would be helpful. Also, now that our DNT system is
working,<BR>we could significantly drop the data rate on the backup
ham transmissions if that<BR>would be helpful. Please let me
know.<BR>Regards<BR>Kristina Lynch<BR>Dartmouth Physics/GreenCube
Faculty Mentor<BR><A href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/~aurora"
target=_blank>www.dartmouth.edu/~aurora</A><BR><BR>
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<DIV style="DIRECTION: ltr"><FONT color=#000000
face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Max Fagin [<A
href="mailto:maxfagin@gmail.com"
target=_blank>maxfagin@gmail.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May
19, 2013 3:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B> David G. McGaw<BR><B>Cc:</B> Eric W.
Hansen; Yorke J. Brown; Maxwell H. Fagin; Bob; Todd S. Anderson;
Kristina A. Lynch
<DIV><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Mystery QRM
(2)<BR></DIV></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>The interfering transmission on 144.440 MHz was coming from the
GreenCube 6 balloon payload which was in the air over Mt. Washington
from 10:30-12:30 this morning. The flight is over, and there
will be no more transmissions on that frequency today. Todd and
Kristina (cc'ed) are the lead investigators on the payload, and
should be contacted with questions about the transmissions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-Max</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On May 19, 2013, at 2:21 PM, "David G. McGaw" <<A
href="mailto:david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>david.g.mcgaw@dartmouth.edu</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Eric,<BR><BR>It is possible that Yorke and Max have a
packet transmitter on their research balloons. If so, they
need to check frequencies beforehand AND have to contact you as
the trustee of W1ET or me as the officer of record before using
the callsign.<BR><BR>Yorke, Max?<BR><BR>David N1HAC<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>On 5/19/13 1:32 PM, Eric W. Hansen wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Interesting hypothesis. Any ideas?</DIV>
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<DIV>Eric</DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </SPAN>Bob <<A
href="mailto:n1ujs@toast.net"
target=_blank>n1ujs@toast.net</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </SPAN>Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:18
PM<BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </SPAN>Eric Hansen
<<A href="mailto:eric.w.hansen@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>eric.w.hansen@dartmouth.edu</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </SPAN>Re: Packet
transmissions<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Some have suggested it might be a weather balloon? In
any case, it ceased transmitting about an hour
ago.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for looking into it.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bob N1UJS<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Eric W.
Hansen <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:Eric.W.Hansen@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>Eric.W.Hansen@dartmouth.edu</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>That is really strange. Our repeater operates on
444.950, and that's the only source of transmission I am aware
of. We haven't operated packet for years. I will
forward your message to some other people who can help track
this down and get back to you if I find anything out.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for the heads up.</DIV>
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<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV>Eric Hansen</DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </SPAN>Bob <<A
href="mailto:n1ujs@toast.net"
target=_blank>n1ujs@toast.net</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </SPAN>Sunday, May 19, 2013
11:25 AM<BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </SPAN>Eric
Hansen <<A href="mailto:eric.w.hansen@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>eric.w.hansen@dartmouth.edu</A>>, ham radio
club <<A href="mailto:ham.radio.club@dartmouth.edu"
target=_blank>ham.radio.club@dartmouth.edu</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc: </SPAN>450 <<A
href="mailto:450@lists.vhfwiki.com"
target=_blank>450@lists.vhfwiki.com</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </SPAN>Packet
transmissions<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>To whomever it may concern,<BR><BR></DIV>There are strong
packet transmissions being sent on 144.440 that are identified
by the W1ET call sign. They are causing a bit of a
disturbance to a large group of operators on 144.450. I
imagine this is unintended, as the last time something like
this happened it turned out the transmissions were intended
for a frequency 600 khz higher, but the operator had
inadvertently pushed the "shift button".<BR></DIV>Could you
please check your station and see if it is
responsible?<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Here is a copy of the transmission:<BR><BR>
<DIV><B>W1ET*>WIDE1-1>WIDE2-1>APOT21
<UI>:/150425h4403.66N/07114.</B><B>84WO-19C Good fix 5
Seconds</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>W1ET*>WIDE1-1>WIDE2-1>APOT21
<UI>:/150430h4403.55N/07114.</B><B>74WO/A=041788-20C
Good fix 5 Seconds</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>W1ET*>WIDE1-1>WIDE2-1>APOT21
<UI>:/150436h4403.44N/07114.</B><B>66WO/A=041928-20C
Good fix 5 Seconds</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>W1ET*>WIDE1-1>WIDE2-1>APOT21
<UI>:/150448h4403.20N/07114.</B><B>47WO/A=042230-20C
Good fix 5 Seconds</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>W1ET*>WIDE1-1>WIDE2-1>APOT21
<UI>:/150454h4403.08N/07114.</B><B>40WO/A=042363-20C
Good fix 5 Seconds</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>W1ET*>WIDE1-1>WIDE2-1>APOT21
<UI>:/150500h4402.96N/07114.</B><B>34WO/A=042468-20C
Good fix 5 Seconds</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>W1ET*>WIDE1-1>WIDE2-1>APOT21
<UI>:/150506h4402.84N/07114.</B><B>28WO-20C Good fix 5
Seconds</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>W1ET*>WIDE1-1>WIDE2-1>APOT21
<UI>:/150512h4402.76N/07114.</B><B>22WO-20C Good fix 5
Seconds</B></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>It has been suggested that the actual
transmission bothering us may be a "retransmission" of your
signal by an "unknown station", however the only call sign in
the transmission is yours.<BR></DIV>The signal I am receiving
is quite strong (40-60 over s-9 to a phased pair of 10
elements) in the direction of roughly 20 degrees from my
location in Newtown, CT, and appears to be horizontally
polarized.<BR><BR></DIV>Thank you for any assistance you can
provide us in this matter.<BR><BR></DIV>Bob N1UJS<BR>
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