[450] I'd just like to note...

Wed Nov 5 15:05:11 EST 2014

William,

Things are the way they are because “we” make it so. Look at voter turnout. Many people have just given up. The following quote is not directed at you personally but offers an explanation as to why politics sucks.

“Let us therefore admit that all things to which he is trained and accustomed seem natural to man and that is truly native to him which he receives with his primitive, untrained individuality. Thus custom becomes the first reason for voluntary servitude. Men are like handsome race horses who first bite the bit then later like it, and rearing under the saddle a while soon learn to enjoy displaying their harness and prance proudly beneath their trappings. Similarly men will grow accustomed to the idea that they have always been in subjection, that their fathers lived the same way; they will think they are obliged to suffer this evil, and will persuade themselves by example and imitation of others, finally investing those who order them around with proprietary rights, based on the idea that it has always been that way.

There are always a few, better endowed than others, who feel the weight of the yoke and cannot restrain themselves from attempting to shake it off: these are the men who never become tamed under subjection and who always, like Ulysses  on land and sea constantly seeking the smoke of his chimney, cannot prevent themselves from peering about for their natural privileges and from remembering their ancestors and their former ways.

These are in fact the men who , possessed of clear minds and far sighted spirit, are not satisfied, like the brutish mass, to see only what is at their feet, but rather look about them, behind and before, and even recall things of the past in order to judge those of the future and compare both with their present condition. These are the ones who, having good minds of their own, have further trained them by study and learning. Even if liberty had entirely perished from earth, such men would invent it. For them, slavery has no satisfactions, no matter how well disguised.” Etienne De La Boite-16th century

I fully expect few will read this to get this far. Some will be offended. This analysis of the human condition has proven correct by history so many times. From King Leonidas and the 300 Spartans, to our own revolution and our progress in civil rights/ slavery are a very, very short list. We are where we are because we permit it to be so. We permit business/big money to run our government, because we have accepted the yoke of servitude. We can throw off the yoke. We may not see the impact in our lifetime, but we must light the torch of Liberty and pass it on to the next generation. 

George

From: 450-bounces at lists.vhfwiki.com [mailto:450-bounces at lists.vhfwiki.com] On Behalf Of kc1wj at kc1wj.com
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99% of politics sucks - as do most polititians -- It doesn't even matter what party they are affliated with, Big business runs big government. Period.

Quoting George Andrews <gandrews at ntplx.net>:

John,

I realized that after I clicked send, did apologize for the error.

George

From: 450-bounces at lists.vhfwiki.com [mailto:450-bounces at lists.vhfwiki.com] On Behalf Of John Foege
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:13 AM
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I didnt comment on NH. That was Dave...

On Nov 5, 2014 11:00 AM, "George Andrews" <gandrews at ntplx.net> wrote:

John,

You might be right. A lot of what is wrong in NH is the spread of the cancer affecting MA. There is hope however in that there are a couple of strong candidates in Andrew Hemingway (ran for gov.) and Marilinda Garcia. I have had e-mail exchanges and in person dialog with our State Senator, Jeannie Forrester, who is a good candidate. She is very pro-gun and a strong proponent of local autonomy. I also met with our executive councilor (elected advisor to state government) who is also pro-gun and local autonomy. There are some good people in politics up here that are sufficient cause for hope for the future. I also talk to folks in their late teens to late twenties who have a good, strong knowledge of history and love liberty and will carry on after I have passed on. I recently spoke with some juniors at Norwich University (also National Guard members)  who asked how so many Americans have become so afraid of guns. I did my best to try and explain how. They did seem to feel anti-gun sentiment was not logical. Another reason to hope for a good future!

Although population centers (big cities) control election outcomes, the influence in day to day politics is not the same. Local towns often operate as the locals wish. It is not uncommon to hear “…Concord may require this, but we are going to do it our way.” Many local towns are passing RBO’s (rights based ordinances) that are in conflict with State Law. So far, the State has not taken legal action against any community and no community has yet challenged the State. I don’t think the State wants to light any fires with respect to the RBO’s for reasons that would require far too much explanation here. At least I can step out in my backyard and get some target practice (I won’t use the 308, 30-06 or other hi power rifle calibers).

However, if things don’t change, it maybe CT/MA/CA/NY everywhere in ten years or less.

George

From: 450-bounces at lists.vhfwiki.com [mailto:450-bounces at lists.vhfwiki.com] On Behalf Of K1FSY
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:02 AM
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New Hampshire has maybe 5-10 years left before it's a shithole like CT and MA.

Maybe i'll move to tennessee with Bob.

On 11/5/2014 9:39 AM, George Andrews wrote:

John,

Don’t step down from the soapbox. What we need for the next two years is reasoned, rational and respectful discourse. Drop the name calling and demonizing of those who disagree with us. Name calling and demonization do little to further real dialog. One does not have to have an academic degree to be capable of rational, respectful dialog either.

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