[450] Fwd: Mystery QRM (2)

djmay djmay at comcast.net
Mon May 20 10:37:40 EDT 2013 

Can't we all just get along?.....

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                     Rodney

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David McKenzie <k1fsy at vhfwiki.com> wrote:

><html><body>sounds like they failed to follow club procedures and that the ham link was<br>unused and secondary anyway. while their experiments are cool and<br>interesting, we have a few people who worked really hard for their licenses<br>and don't like interference! bob did the right thing by emailing them, and<br>they are doing the right thing by inquiring about the use of the club<br>license. There may not have even been a ham on the balloon project so they<br>were potentially breaking federal law with their balloon which is serious<br>and deserves some reprimanding.<br><br><br>On Mon, May 20, <a href="tel:2013">2013</a> at 10:20 AM, John Foege <<a href="mailto:john.foege at gmail.com">john.foege at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> And as a clarification, from their own project supervisors....not Bob.<br>> On May 20, <a href="tel:2013 4">2013 4</a>:19 PM, "John Foege" <<a href="mailto:john.foege at gmail.com">john.foege at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Sure but it's a shared medium....as much as we would like to think we own<br>>> it, we don't. It's proper to check if the channel is not in use. I highly<br>>> suspect they did in fact do a local check up there and didn't hear<br>>> anything. It's different when the QTH is at 35,<a href="tel:000">000</a> ft. Then it's LOS to the<br>>> entire NE. Either way....the probability of them choosing <a href="tel:450">450</a> or <a href="tel:440">440</a> AND<br>>> running into a group of people on VHF is so astronomically low. Moreso that<br>>> they only do this for 2 hours a year. And even crazier....we tracked it<br>>> down to the source.....<br>>><br>>> All in all pretty low odds of any of this happening!<br>>><br>>> Certainly, the tone with which the students responsible were addressed<br>>> was imho harsh...<br>>><br>>> Oh well...<br>>> On May 20, <a href="tel:2013 3">2013 3</a>:40 PM, "Rich" <<a href="mailto:t41 at optonline.net">t41 at optonline.net</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>>   Sorry, but they WERE in the wrong. If you are going to transmit from<br>>>> a <a href="tel:100">100</a>k foot location, its incumbent upon YOU to make sure the frequency is<br>>>> clear. Also Bobs note was not accusatory or nasty. I think we just leave it<br>>>> where it is.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>  *From:* John Foege <<a href="mailto:john.foege at gmail.com">john.foege at gmail.com</a>><br>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, <a href="tel:2013 4">2013 4</a>:47 AM<br>>>> *To:* <a href="tel:144.450">144.450</a> Mailing List <<a href="mailto:450 at lists.vhfwiki.com">450 at lists.vhfwiki.com</a>><br>>>> *Subject:* Re: [<a href="tel:450">450</a>] Fwd: Mystery QRM (2)<br>>>><br>>>>   Bob,<br>>>><br>>>> I agree with Chris...these people certainly feel like they just got<br>>>> repirmanded for doing absolutely nothing wrong.<br>>>><br>>>> I'd really suggest sending a letter to everyone involved and telling<br>>>> them, that by no means does this represent a problem, and that you are very<br>>>> happy that the students are using HAM radio for backup telemetry data...<br>>>><br>>>> That you were suprised how far they got out...<br>>>><br>>>> etc. etc....<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> We don't want to poo poo people just because we managed to hear their<br>>>> +10,<a href="tel:000">000</a> FT ASL transmitters :P<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Mon, May 20, <a href="tel:2013">2013</a> at 5:10 AM, chris <<a href="mailto:cralt at comcast.net">cralt at comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>>  Hopefully they are not discouraged from using ham radio for this<br>>>>> stuff. Maybe just suggest that they try shifting to a different freq so<br>>>>> they dont interfere with us and we dont interfere with them. There is<br>>>>> plenty of room in that part of the band for everyone.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>  On May 19, <a href="tel:2013">2013</a>, at 7:01 PM, David McKenzie wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>  cool, glad it's resolved and that we figured it out<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> On Sun, May 19, <a href="tel:2013">2013</a> at 5:47 PM, Bob <<a href="mailto:n1ujs at toast.net">n1ujs at toast.net</a>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> The latest:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>>>>>> From: Kristina A. Lynch <<a href="mailto:Kristina.A.Lynch at dartmouth.edu">Kristina.A.Lynch at dartmouth.edu</a>><br>>>>>> Date: Sun, May 19, <a href="tel:2013">2013</a> at 5:28 PM<br>>>>>> Subject: RE: Mystery QRM (2)<br>>>>>> To: Max Fagin <<a href="mailto:maxfagin at gmail.com">maxfagin at gmail.com</a>>, "David G. McGaw" <<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:David.G.McGaw at dartmouth.edu">David.G.McGaw at dartmouth.edu</a>><br>>>>>> Cc: "Eric W. Hansen" <<a href="mailto:Eric.W.Hansen at dartmouth.edu">Eric.W.Hansen at dartmouth.edu</a>>, "Yorke J. Brown" <<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Yorke.J.Brown at dartmouth.edu">Yorke.J.Brown at dartmouth.edu</a>>, "Maxwell H. Fagin" <<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Maxwell.H.Fagin at dartmouth.edu">Maxwell.H.Fagin at dartmouth.edu</a>>, Bob <<a href="mailto:n1ujs at toast.net">n1ujs at toast.net</a>>, "Todd S.<br>>>>>> Anderson" <<a href="http://Todd.S.An">Todd.S.An</a><a href="mailto:derson.14 at dartmouth.edu">derson.14 at dartmouth.edu</a>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Dave, Eric-<br>>>>>> Please relay my apologies to the group who were disturbed by our<br>>>>>> transmissions.<br>>>>>> We use the ham radio as our backup telemetry system on our research<br>>>>>> balloons,<br>>>>>> for about 2 hours once or twice a year;  we have been doing this for<br>>>>>> approximately five years.  It is possible that Amanda Slagle (who<br>>>>>> graduated<br>>>>>> last year) was in the habit of telling Dave McGaw ahead of time?  And<br>>>>>> this<br>>>>>> protocol got slipped since she left.  We can certainly be sure to let<br>>>>>> Dave know<br>>>>>> in the future, if that would be helpful.  Also, now that our DNT<br>>>>>> system is working,<br>>>>>> we could significantly drop the data rate on the backup ham<br>>>>>> transmissions if that<br>>>>>> would be helpful.  Please let me know.<br>>>>>> Regards<br>>>>>> Kristina Lynch<br>>>>>> Dartmouth Physics/GreenCube Faculty Mentor<br>>>>>> <a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/~aurora">www.dartmouth.edu/~aurora</a><br>>>>>><br>>>>>>  ------------------------------<br>>>>>> *From:* Max Fagin [<a href="mailto:maxfagin at gmail.com">maxfagin at gmail.com</a>]<br>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 19, <a href="tel:2013 3">2013 3</a>:02 PM<br>>>>>> *To:* David G. McGaw<br>>>>>> *Cc:* Eric W. Hansen; Yorke J. Brown; Maxwell H. Fagin; Bob; Todd S.<br>>>>>> Anderson; Kristina A. Lynch<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Mystery QRM (2)<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>   The interfering transmission on <a href="tel:144.440">144.440</a> MHz was coming from the<br>>>>>> GreenCube 6 balloon payload which was in the air over Mt. Washington from<br>>>>>> 10:<a href="tel:30-12">30-12</a>:30 this morning.  The flight is over, and there will be no more<br>>>>>> transmissions on that frequency today. Todd and Kristina (cc'ed) are the<br>>>>>> lead investigators on the payload, and should be contacted with questions<br>>>>>> about the transmissions.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> -Max<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On May 19, <a href="tel:2013">2013</a>, at 2:21 PM, "David G. McGaw" <<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:david.g.mcgaw at dartmouth.edu">david.g.mcgaw at dartmouth.edu</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>  Hi Eric,<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> It is possible that Yorke and Max have a packet transmitter on their<br>>>>>> research balloons.  If so, they need to check frequencies beforehand AND<br>>>>>> have to contact you as the trustee of W1ET or me as the officer of record<br>>>>>> before using the callsign.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Yorke, Max?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> David N1HAC<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On 5/19/<a href="tel:13 1">13 1</a>:32 PM, Eric W. Hansen wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Interesting hypothesis.  Any ideas?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Eric<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>  From: Bob <<a href="mailto:n1ujs at toast.net">n1ujs at toast.net</a>><br>>>>>> Date: Sunday, May 19, <a href="tel:2013 1">2013 1</a>:18 PM<br>>>>>> To: Eric Hansen <<a href="mailto:eric.w.hansen at dartmouth.edu">eric.w.hansen at dartmouth.edu</a>><br>>>>>> Subject: Re: Packet transmissions<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>   Some have suggested it might be a weather balloon?  In any case, it<br>>>>>> ceased transmitting about an hour ago.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Thanks for looking into it.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Bob N1UJS<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On Sun, May 19, <a href="tel:2013">2013</a> at 1:08 PM, Eric W. Hansen <<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Eric.W.Hansen at dartmouth.edu">Eric.W.Hansen at dartmouth.edu</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>>  That is really strange.  Our repeater operates on <a href="tel:444.950">444.950</a>, and<br>>>>>>> that's the only source of transmission I am aware of.  We haven't operated<br>>>>>>> packet for years.  I will forward your message to some other people who can<br>>>>>>> help track this down and get back to you if I find anything out.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Thanks for the heads up.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Best,<br>>>>>>> Eric Hansen<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>  From: Bob <<a href="mailto:n1ujs at toast.net">n1ujs at toast.net</a>><br>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, May 19, <a href="tel:2013 11">2013 11</a>:25 AM<br>>>>>>> To: Eric Hansen <<a href="mailto:eric.w.hansen at dartmouth.edu">eric.w.hansen at dartmouth.edu</a>>, ham radio club <<br>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:ham.radio.club at dartmouth.edu">ham.radio.club at dartmouth.edu</a>><br>>>>>>> Cc: <a href="tel:450">450</a> <<a href="mailto:450 at lists.vhfwiki.com">450 at lists.vhfwiki.com</a>><br>>>>>>> Subject: Packet transmissions<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>     To whomever it may concern,<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> There are strong packet transmissions being sent on <a href="tel:144.440">144.440</a> that are<br>>>>>>> identified by the W1ET call sign.  They are causing a bit of a disturbance<br>>>>>>> to a large group of operators on <a href="tel:144.450">144.450</a>.  I imagine this is unintended, as<br>>>>>>> the last time something like this happened it turned out the transmissions<br>>>>>>> were intended for a frequency <a href="tel:600">600</a> khz higher, but the operator had<br>>>>>>> inadvertently pushed the "shift button".<br>>>>>>> Could you please check your station and see if it is responsible?<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Here is a copy of the transmission:<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> *W1ET*>WIDE<a href="tel:1-1">1-1</a>>WIDE<a href="tel:2-1">2-1</a>>APOT21 <UI>:/<a href="tel:150425">150425</a>h<a href="tel:4403.66">4403.66</a>N/<a href="tel:07114">07114</a>.**84WO-19C<br>>>>>>> Good fix 5 Seconds*<br>>>>>>> *W1ET*>WIDE<a href="tel:1-1">1-1</a>>WIDE<a href="tel:2-1">2-1</a>>APOT21 <UI>:/<a href="tel:150430">150430</a>h<a href="tel:4403.55">4403.55</a>N/<a href="tel:07114">07114</a>.**74WO/A=<a href="tel:041788-20">041788-20</a>C<br>>>>>>> Good fix 5 Seconds*<br>>>>>>> *W1ET*>WIDE<a href="tel:1-1">1-1</a>>WIDE<a href="tel:2-1">2-1</a>>APOT21 <UI>:/<a href="tel:150436">150436</a>h<a href="tel:4403.44">4403.44</a>N/<a href="tel:07114">07114</a>.**66WO/A=<a href="tel:041928-20">041928-20</a>C<br>>>>>>> Good fix 5 Seconds*<br>>>>>>> *W1ET*>WIDE<a href="tel:1-1">1-1</a>>WIDE<a href="tel:2-1">2-1</a>>APOT21 <UI>:/<a href="tel:150448">150448</a>h<a href="tel:4403.20">4403.20</a>N/<a href="tel:07114">07114</a>.**47WO/A=<a href="tel:042230-20">042230-20</a>C<br>>>>>>> Good fix 5 Seconds*<br>>>>>>> *W1ET*>WIDE<a href="tel:1-1">1-1</a>>WIDE<a href="tel:2-1">2-1</a>>APOT21 <UI>:/<a href="tel:150454">150454</a>h<a href="tel:4403.08">4403.08</a>N/<a href="tel:07114">07114</a>.**40WO/A=<a href="tel:042363-20">042363-20</a>C<br>>>>>>> Good fix 5 Seconds*<br>>>>>>> *W1ET*>WIDE<a href="tel:1-1">1-1</a>>WIDE<a href="tel:2-1">2-1</a>>APOT21 <UI>:/<a href="tel:150500">150500</a>h<a href="tel:4402.96">4402.96</a>N/<a href="tel:07114">07114</a>.**34WO/A=<a href="tel:042468-20">042468-20</a>C<br>>>>>>> Good fix 5 Seconds*<br>>>>>>> *W1ET*>WIDE<a href="tel:1-1">1-1</a>>WIDE<a href="tel:2-1">2-1</a>>APOT21 <UI>:/<a href="tel:150506">150506</a>h<a href="tel:4402.84">4402.84</a>N/<a href="tel:07114">07114</a>.**28WO-20C<br>>>>>>> Good fix 5 Seconds*<br>>>>>>> *W1ET*>WIDE<a href="tel:1-1">1-1</a>>WIDE<a href="tel:2-1">2-1</a>>APOT21 <UI>:/<a href="tel:150512">150512</a>h<a href="tel:4402.76">4402.76</a>N/<a href="tel:07114">07114</a>.**22WO-20C<br>>>>>>> Good fix 5 Seconds*<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> It has been suggested that the actual transmission bothering us may<br>>>>>>> be a "retransmission" of your signal by an "unknown station", however the<br>>>>>>> only call sign in the transmission is yours.<br>>>>>>> The signal I am receiving is quite strong (<a href="tel:40-60">40-60</a> over s-9 to a phased<br>>>>>>> pair of 10 elements) in the direction of roughly 20 degrees from my<br>>>>>>> location in Newtown, CT, and appears to be horizontally polarized.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Thank you for any assistance you can provide us in this matter.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Bob N1UJS<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>>> <a href="tel:450">450</a> mailing list<br>>>>>> <a href="mailto:450 at lists.vhfwiki.com">450 at lists.vhfwiki.com</a><br>>>>>> <a href="http://lists.vhfwiki.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/450">http://lists.vhfwiki.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/450</a><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> <a href="tel:450">450</a> mailing 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