[450] Emily
Leslie
partybug at charter.net
Mon Jun 6 11:27:47 EDT 2011
George,
I have to fight the urge to have her with me every second. The best I
can offer her is to sleep untouched for an hour or so during the day. I
don't want her hiding under the furniture all the time. That is not a
normal behavior for her, hence, I am attempting to put a stop to it. I
think she gets it, she was in the hallway on the rug this morning. But
I had to take her to her litter box. Then she insisted I open the door
rather than her using the kitty door....I fear a decision will need to
be made shortly. But I just want a few more days to try. She is really
not doing well. I am merely sustaining her. The rest is up to her
body.
Leslie Busino
Always be the difference with kindness of heart.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:37 PM, George Andrews wrote:
> Leslie,
>
> Sounds like you are doing everything you can! Vet sounds good. I had
> forgotten about the baby food. Maria reminded me of that last night.
> That would have been my next suggestion. The fact that she is looking
> to you when you come in from groceries. Does she have a favorite cat
> treat? Maybe giving her a couple of cat treats when you come in for
> groceries might help.
>
> One thing that I did not mention. I used to lay on the floor with
> Sammy and gently rub his head down to between his shoulder blades.
> Also the spine where the tail starts. I would quietly talk to him. I
> would spend 10 to 15 minutes a few times a day during his most
> difficult times, but always a couple of times a day. You are probably
> already doing this. Making a big fuss over her at times oyher than
> feeding medication may help. Anything that promotes bonding. Maybe
> more affection than usual to get her over the difficut time will help.
>
> Will keep you all in thought and prayer.
>
> George
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Busino"
> <partybug at charter.net>
> To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [450] Emily
>
>
>> George,
>>
>> Thank you so much for the hints on food. I am taking your stance
>> food wise. Although I did get gerber baby food too. Highest in
>> protein I could. She actually sniffed it. I have been on the phone
>> with the vet. Last night I pulled a high number on her BG, over 290.
>> I called him and told him what was happening to her. I loaded her
>> with about 6 cc's of water and tried a couple of nibbles of food, no
>> dice, so she went the night on water only. Woke and she was 321. I
>> decided that was enough. Put her on the counter and forced down over
>> an ounce of food into her belly. AND water back and forth between
>> bites. She started to get "pissy" at me, but when I said "NO" in my
>> normal sharp tone when she is doing something she should not, she
>> responded with her normal demeanor pre-ill. She put her paw down
>> even though she wanted to scratch the hell out of me. I actually
>> looked at her without pity and laughed.
>> She is just now done with her second bout with me injecting food into
>> her. So she has had two tiny meals today. She is not hiding like she
>> was and she is still not purring. (this is the true sign of happy
>> cat, not a nervous behavior for her in particular) Once she purrs,
>> we are out of the woods and on the field again. I spoke to her doc
>> and he thinks my tough stance is going to work a heck of a lot
>> better. I have to up her insulin by one unit tonight based on her
>> food intake. He is all about me managing her care and last night
>> when I spoke to him he let me know that he thinks the same as I do,
>> Emily was absolutely destroyed emotionally being away from home and
>> stuck in the cage at the vet. He felt very afraid for her even
>> though she had to have the IV in for 48 hours. He said he was very
>> concerned with her decline in emotion. When I went to visit her, it
>> was all I could do to not detach the IV and run out the door with
>> her. She won't be there again except for necessary visits. No
>> stays.
>> He is a good vet thus far. He did warn me the only other option is
>> an extreme specialist. But that it was highly cost prohibitive and
>> not necessarily a viable solution.
>> I don't think she got into anything. II only have an English Ivy in
>> the house, she has been with it all of her life and does not do
>> anything with it. Actually, we noticed she got ill when I brought
>> home the bouquet from my Dads memorial service. It promptly went
>> outside and that was the end of that. (that was back in April, no
>> correlation)
>> Em is hopefully heading toward the light again. She is expressing a
>> little more interest in us. Not by much, but a little. She actually
>> just sniffed Robert's finger which he stuck in his ear for ear wax.
>> (disgusting - blech - ugh) And she looked up at me when I came in
>> with the groceries. We are keeping her from hiding on us and staying
>> in her funk. She is jumping off the counter a little better. She
>> better not make me feed her forcefully for too long! I hate doing it
>> to her but will continue until I see her chubby little bod heading
>> for her water and food. She still smells sick inside. It is likely
>> due to her high BG. And the pancreas not doing so hot. The one
>> thing she hates big time and it hurts when I have to give it to her
>> is the antibiotic. She puts holes in me when I give it to her. BUT
>> she also exhibits strength. Good sign there.
>>
>> Thanks George, if you think of anything...let me know. I think I am
>> okay with the Vet for now. Em cannot abide the car for too long, he
>> is about a mile down the road. This works nicely. And my initial
>> impression with him is that he is a kind hearted soul with a good
>> sense of what needs to be done. Em is only at half of her life span
>> right now as far as I am concerned. When we get her level, there is
>> always the possibility that we could see her go into remission in a
>> year or so. We shall see. If I have to give her insulin for life,
>> so be it. I am hoping a long life so I guess we had best be prepared
>> for the long haul!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Andrews"
>> <gandrews at ntplx.net>
>> To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [450] Emily
>>
>>
>>> Leslie,
>>>
>>> Sammy cattus survived so many things, including a spinal cord
>>> stroke. He did get so sick that he was barely mobile. Some cats do
>>> not like fish. I would still try the water from tuna and water, no
>>> salt, no oil. See if she will drink it. Another thing to try is some
>>> diced chicken that you have for a meal, no spices , no salt. From
>>> what youy have told me, I can't suggest much else in terms of food.
>>>
>>> I have found that there is a very wide range of "standard of care"
>>> with vets. We had emergencies with Sammy and were told on one
>>> occasion that we needed to think about how far we wanted to go with
>>> this. This particular vet suggested putting him down. They could not
>>> tell me what was wrong with him! Needless to say, I did not listen.
>>> Some will provide care, but nothing aggressive. Them there are those
>>> who will actively work with you to do whatever can be done to keep
>>> Emily healthy. Do you have a dose vs. blood sugar level you work
>>> from? Do you report this to your vet and does he/she periodically
>>> adjust it? This is one standard of care I would expect (advice is by
>>> phone so there is no charge). Has there been any imaging of
>>> pancreas/liver to see what is happening there?
>>>
>>> We have always taken our cats to cats only vets for the most part.
>>> The one time we did not do this and Sammy required a several night
>>> stay, he did not do well. About the only way I can describe it is
>>> depressed. He never liked to be away from us, but it was worse if he
>>> had to stay with dogs around.
>>>
>>> Another thought, do you have plants in the house? We have gotten rid
>>> of all plants toxic to cats. It took us two times to understand some
>>> plants are simply not compatible with cats. Twice our cats got so
>>> sick, we thought they would not live. Anything else she might have
>>> gotten into? The vet probably already mentioned this.
>>>
>>> As for humans, sometimes a second or third opinion is good. Towards
>>> the end we did this for Sammy. It may seem like a lot of trouble and
>>> expense to do this, but I could not do anything else for him. If you
>>> want some names of vets, let me know.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Busino"
>>> <partybug at charter.net>
>>> To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [450] Emily
>>>
>>>
>>>> George,
>>>>
>>>> I am having to force her right now. She has not gone to the litter
>>>> box at all. She has no real favorites as long as it is wet food
>>>> Fancy Feast Classic. She sticks in the turkey and giblet and
>>>> chicken and beef. No fish. She tends to get sick everytime she
>>>> gets her teeth into something that might have fish in it. So, I
>>>> decided long ago that she must have an aversion to it.
>>>>
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