[450] Gel cell batteries for primary station use?

David McKenzie kb1fsy at vhfwiki.com
Tue Mar 24 17:56:51 EDT 2009


Well, I took the plunge and ordered a new VS-70M from Universal Radio, along
with a powerpole plug strip and some extra connectors. I plan on reselling
the VS-50M and a 21 amp linear to recoup costs. I don't think I'd sell it to
anyone on the list though because I've had issues with both of them.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Vinnie Grosso <vinnie at vinnievision.com>wrote:

> David,
>
> Very cool stuff, I'm a cheap skate and use a Rat Shack digital meter and a
> bunch of strip terminals. It's a rat's nest all right. This is much better
>
> Vinnie
>
> On 23 Mar 2009 at 22:31, David McKenzie wrote:
>
> >
> > You may like these then Vinnie, I'm seriously considering a no-meter
> > option and one of these (will
> > break even vs metered):
> >
> > http://www.powerwerx.com/product.asp?ProdID=34676&CtgID=3575
> >
> > Or one of the other two they have. I think I'm going to take the
> > anderson powerpoll plunge to
> > standardize all the DC in the shack and hopefully clean things up
> > considerably. Working on
> > getting an MFJ strip with a number of PPs and a couple of binding
> > posts.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Vinnie Grosso
> > <vinnie at vinnievision.com> wrote:
> >     David,
> >
> >     I find the volt meter on the Astrons to be useless anyway.
> >
> >     Vinnie
> >
> >
> > On 23 Mar 2009 at 17:28, David McKenzie wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ya, not sure what I am going to do. I think it will be too
> > expensive
> > > to switch to batteries at this
> > > point, I'd rather supplement later. Right now I can sell my
> > VS-50M
> > > for 150 or so and get a new
> > > 70A model for 300ish shipped, or get the one with out meters for
> > > considerably less and pick up a
> > > digital in-line current meter.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Rich <t41 at optonline.net> wrote:
> > >   Seems like a good plan, if you are going to spend the money
> > why
> > > not have
> > >   less noise and emergency power as added benefits? You may be
> > > able to
> > >   find
> > >   sealed heavy duty GEL Cells used for cheap. There was someone
> > > selling
> > >   nice
> > >   ones at the Newtown hamfest a few years back, remember Bob?
> > >
> > >   Just wanted to say how nice it was to see everybody yesterday!
> > > Looking
> > >   forward to New Hampshire in May!
> > >
> > >   Rich
> > >   --
> > >   -------+++++--------
> > >   Most people get a fair amount of fun out of their lives, but
> > on
> > > balance life
> > >   is suffering,
> > >   and only the very young or very foolish imagine otherwise. -
> > > George Orwell
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Vinnie Grosso" <vinnie at vinnievision.com>
> > > To: "144.450 Mailing List" <450 at lists.vhfwiki.com>; "David
> > > McKenzie"
> > > <kb1fsy at vhfwiki.com>
> > >
> > >   Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:02 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: [450] Gel cell batteries for primary station use?
> > >
> > >
> > >   > Dave,
> > >   >
> > >   > Great to hear about the large gel cells at 70 amp. that may
> > be
> > > the answer
> > >   >
> > >   > Vinnie
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   > On 23 Mar 2009 at 13:07, David McKenzie wrote:
> > >   >
> > >   >>
> > >   >> Vinnie,
> > >   >>
> > >   >> From what I understand, the gel cells are functionally the
> > > same to
> > >   >> deep cycle batteries except
> > >   >> that they are sealed, exhaust no vapors while charging
> > (deep
> > > cycle
> > >   >> puts out some sort of toxic
> > >   >> gasses i think) and cost a bit more. It is good news that a
> > > lot of
> > >   >> hams are using batteries to power
> > >   >> their stuff, that means there is a wealth of information
> > out
> > > there,
> > >   >> assuming I can find it. A 70Ah gel
> > >   >> cell battery appears to be about a little less than half
> > the
> > > price
> > >   >> of a 70 amp ICS supply. Looks like
> > >   >> you are saying that I need a float charger from the linear
> > to
> > > the
> > >   >> battery and then a voltage
> > >   >> regulator between the battery and the equipment. Sounds
> > > reasonable,
> > >   >> I'll look more into it.
> > >   >>
> > >   >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Vinnie Grosso
> > >   >> <vinnie at vinnievision.com> wrote:
> > >   >>  David,
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  I think the better answer could be use a 70 Amp deep
> > > cycle
> > >   >> battery. I
> > >   >>  believe
> > >   >>  you need to have at last 2X times the reserve in the
> > > battery, or
> > >   >> you will get
> > >   >>  reverse EMF back to the radio. You will also need to build
> > > a
> > >   >> zener based
> > >   >>  regulator to make sure nothing ever gets over voltage.
> > Good
> > > news
> > >   >> is that
> > >   >>  many hams do this, and the Green movement now has much
> > data
> > > on
> > >   >> home
> > >   >>  controllers that will have some info as well.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  Dam good idea -- even though you do not think you will
> > need
> > > it
> > >   >> to power the
> > >   >>  radios -- you will at some point.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  Also I was running my 746Pro on car batteries, and the
> > > noise
> > >   >> floor almost
> > >   >>  diappeared -- it's amazing how good 80M and 20M got with
> > > the
> > >   >> lower noise
> > >   >>  floor.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  Vinnie
> > >   >>
> > >   >>
> > >   >> On 23 Mar 2009 at 11:28, David McKenzie wrote:
> > >   >>
> > >   >> >
> > >   >> > Instead of buying a 70 amp supply or a second 50 amp
> > supply
> > > to
> > >   >> > parallel, I am considering picking up a large gel cell
> > > battery
> > >   >> and
> > >   >> > fast/float charger to run the amp all the time and the
> > > radios
> > >   >> during a
> > >   >> > power outage. I don't know very much about batteries.
> > > Here's what
> > >   >> I do
> > >   >> > know:
> > >   >> >
> > >   >> > Rated in ampere-hour, which pretty much means how many
> > amps
> > > can
> > >   >> be
> > >   >> > drawn until dead over a specific time (20 hours
> > supposedly
> > > is
> > >   >> > standard). Charging rate should always be 10% or less of
> > > Ah
> > >   >> rating.
> > >   >> > Float chargers exist relatively cheaply that allow the
> > > battery to
> > >   >> be
> > >   >> > connected to a constant voltage supply (existing astron
> > > supply)
> > >   >> > indefinitely.
> > >   >> >
> > >   >> > My questions are really as follows:
> > >   >> >
> > >   >> > What size battery would I need to "buffer" a 60-70 amp
> > low
> > > duty
> > >   >> cycle
> > >   >> > load to power the amplifier? I'd assume the amp would
> > > connect to
> > >   >> the
> > >   >> > battery directly and then the battery to a charging
> > circuit
> > > with
> > >   >> > protections for when AC is removed from the CVS.
> > >   >> >
> > >   >> > Since my goal is not long term battery backup but to run
> > > high
> > >   >> current
> > >   >> > devices for short periods, would a smaller battery on a
> > > constant
> > >   >> > supply be the best bet? Do you need to match the Ah
> > rating
> > > to
> > >   >> the
> > >   >> > instantaneous maximum current draw?
> > >   >> >
> > >   >> > Is this just a dumb idea, and I should buy more power
> > > supplies?
> > >   >> >
> > >   >> > -Dave
> > >   >> >
> > >   >>
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  The best way to predict the future....is to invent it
> > >   >>  Carl Mangold
> > >   >>
> > >   >>
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> > >   >
> > >   > Vincent Grosso
> > >   > Vontage and Cell 917-546-6661
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